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armyvet

Posted 8:00 am, 07/26/2010

achs is saying that taking my property rights is a part of a "community>" Does not feel like community to me. How about socialism? That is what it feels like to me....we just keep getting closer.

fredhead

Posted 11:46 pm, 07/25/2010

Been readin a lot about how the entire county needs to be zoned. You all fight your battles up in town and leave us in the sticks alone. The county doesn't need it, the county can't afford it and the people don't want it.

samsam

Posted 11:26 pm, 07/25/2010

I totally agree NoBull. It is not equal protection under the law to penalize some to protect others. I can't understand why people who are advocating this law can't realize what is being done to their neighbors isn't right. Their land was acquired and taxes paid, just as yours was. What gives you the right to impose your standards on them? If you are worried about protecting your property, then perhaps you might want to live in a subdivision with covenants stating what was expected out of each home owner.

I have read grumblings that West Jefferson was only "fixing" it because the County had been remiss in passing zoning regulations. Why does the County need zoning regulations? It seems to me the only issues that have come to light were phantom issues designed to scare people into the town governments arms; let us protect you from the big ole scary sexually oriented businesses. I don't live in West Jefferson or the EJT, and really if thats what you all want to do then more power to you. Just leave the rest of the county out of your discussions.

sunshine13

Posted 10:27 pm, 07/25/2010

I say the HEL! with all of it. I hate living in this stinking town, I can't stand the WJ board, they are all liers, yes. If your on the board, I called you a lier! If you do have a right to vote, get these old farts off the board, vote in a REAL man for the Mayor and start fresh. If you treat people wrong no matter what you do, It will come back to you later. I hope to move someday where people don't try to take your rights away and tell me how to live my life. Everyone on here needs to get a life and move to a better town, this one has gone to HEL!.

NoBullHere

Posted 10:06 pm, 07/25/2010

achs2009 and ConfusedAsheObserver - I do understand your points about the ETJ and the possible benefits. However, I still say that the Town of West Jefferson took away peoples' rights to do what they wish with their properties. This was a BIG 'RIGHT" in my opinion. So now that this big right has been taken away, folks in the ETJ suposedly have these little rights to protect them from their neighbors.

achs2009 said, "Your only focus is what is good for you and you alone."

I can see why you might say that, but it's not true. I own two houses that are now in the ETJ. I don't plan on making any major changes to either of them, so if the promoted notion that the ETJ will help protect my property value, then personally, it should benefit me. I also own unrestricted acreage out in the county to do with as I please.

However, I try to stand up for what is right and I don't like things being forced on me.
I don't believe the Town of WJ had a good reason to enact the ETJ. They were deaf to the concerns of citizens in the ETJ and rammed it down our throats just because they could.

I believe it is wrong to unnecessarily extend government control, especially concerning peoples' private property rights.
I think it's a shame that Americans are looking more and more to having government control their lives. It's making America weaker as everyone looks to the government to fulfill their needs, wants and wimpers.




anothernick

Posted 4:03 pm, 07/25/2010

ETJ was a dumb idea from the get go. West Jefferson isn't in any danger of growing for a long time. It is locked by Buck Mountain on one side, Jefferson on another. Radio Hill would prevent much of anything going in in that direction which only leaves growth toward Ingles. If anything, it will probably lead to even more sprawl since if you were a smart developer you would set up shop just outside the ETJ, probably along the US 221 or 163 corridor and end up being similar to what you see along 421 in Wilkesboro.

anothernick

Posted 3:53 pm, 07/25/2010

One right would be the right to have a say regarding the development and use of property next to your property. Now you have no say and your protection is buying a buffer and trusting the good intentions of your neighbor. I would think that would have some value.

What gives you the right to determine what your neighbor does with their property? This person's property was paid for with their sweat just like yours was. They pay their taxes the same as you do. Your statement is the very reason I oppose regulating personal rights away. You have automaticly elevated your rights as a property owner over the equal rights of your neighbor. Here is another solution, if what your neighbor finds acceptable offends you, then make him an offer to buy him out. Eventually, you could own the whole world that way. I live in a neighborhood and we don't have to have any goverment regulations to get along, everyone just leaves everyone else alone and does their own thing.

Seriously, why would you want more and more government interference in your life? Just look at the shape the whole country is in right now. Do you think more government has fixed anything? The reason he county hasn't put zoning restrictions on the land is they realize there is no real need for it. Most new people who move into the county buys into subdivisions which usually has restrictions which landowners must agree to when they buy in. You all can do what you want in town, but leave us out here in the boonies the **** alone.

ConfusedAsheObserver

Posted 12:38 pm, 07/25/2010

Hi No Bull,

I don't understand the notion that you are in jail. The United States is a Republic not a Democracy. You elect represenatives that make laws for you. Your or my personal opinion often does not matter. The EPA, NC Forest Service, County Fire Marshall, NC Department of Enironment and Natural Resources, IRS, NC Department of Revenue, State Banking Commission, FDIC, Skyline and BREMCO already regulate what you can do with your land to one degree or another. Even Jesus indicated that ownership of things was illusory - we all die and someone else will have the land.

Of all these entities above, I would think the West Jefferson Town Council and the WJ Planning Board would give you more input and care more about what you think than any other group.

I have a neighbor who bothers me from time to time. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if I could start a skunk skinning operation and blow the smell toward her house. But then the smell would get to a neighbor I do like before it gets to her.

I think the bottom line is that the County let you down. Had they adopted some zoning controls the Town would not have been able to do so.

What is it that you are wanting to do that you think the Town will not not let you do?

achs2009

Posted 12:31 pm, 07/25/2010

It's pointless to debate this with you. Your mind is made up and you have no concept of living in a community with other people. Your only focus is what is good for you and you alone. Maybe you did not read or understand the earlier post.

One right would be the right to have a say regarding the development and use of property next to your property. Now you have no say and your protection is buying a buffer and trusting the good intentions of your neighbor. I would think that would have some value.

Another right would be the right to have a say regarding development of all of West Jefferson as you are in the WJ planning area. You can look at yourself as only being in the ETJ or you can look at yourself as being a part of WJ.

NoBullHere

Posted 11:51 am, 07/25/2010

achs2009 - I should expect to be punished, or put in prison, if I did something wrong. I did nothing wrong but yet I've been thrown into the ETJ Prison and now I have some type of minimalized "rights" as an ETJ prisoner. I'd rather be free and have the right to do as I wish.

Back to your original post, the Town of West Jefferson took away my right to do with my property as I see fit. What rights did they actually give me that I did not have before?

achs2009

Posted 10:30 am, 07/25/2010

Well - NoBullHere - your getting the right idea now about how living in a community - near a town works. But lets back up your story about being in prison.

What put you there were the laws we have that protect ourselves, children and parents. You do something wrong and your right to freedom is taken away from you.

If I ride my Harley without a helmet - I will loose the "right" to ride it at all (after enough tickets) I didn't get to vote on the law, don't like others telling me what I have to do - but it is the law. When you live ina community you have to have rules.

Same think happens if you do something on your land to take away the rights of the person next door to you to enjoy their land to its fullest and highest potential.

Hopefully, if you don't try to build a hog farm on Buck Mt Road, the Town of West Jefferson will not have to put you in jail.

You will learn these things as you get older.

NoBullHere

Posted 9:20 am, 07/25/2010

ConfusedAsheObserver - Basically, what you're saying is that once a person is imprisoned, then they have the "right" to a cot, three meals a day, and their own private cell to protect them from their fellow inmates. Oh, and I guess you would also have the right to a tin cup that you can rake across the bars and demand the warden give you more rights.

Pardon me, but these are "rights" I can do without.

achs2009

Posted 5:22 am, 07/25/2010

Well there ya go. Here's your answer. Sorry Ididn't get around to writing it. This is not the most important issue on my plate.

I know it's a waste of time to try to change your minds.

ConfusedAsheObserver

Posted 3:31 am, 07/25/2010

I think planning is a good thing. Ideally the County would have done it, but they didn't.

One right would be the right to have a say regarding the development and use of property next to your property. Now you have no say and your protection is buying a buffer and trusting the good intentions of your neighbor. I would think that would have some value.

Another right would be the right to have a say regarding development of all of West Jefferson as you are in the WJ planning area. You can look at yourself as only being in the ETJ or you can look at yourself as being a part of WJ.

You would have the right to propose planning and zoning policies and changes that would affect the entire WJ planning area.

Actually individual neighborhoods can now get together and make proposals for how they would like the neighborhood to be developed. I suppose it's a matter of perspective - do you live totally alone or do you live in a neighborhood. Do you feel that you have a right to do something on your land that hurts your neighbors? Some do, some dont.

armyvet

Posted 8:38 pm, 07/24/2010

Still waiting on the same question to be answered....WHAT RIGHTS?

techjunkie

Posted 5:33 pm, 07/24/2010

Where are those "rights." We got no benefits...are you kidding me?

NoBullHere

Posted 4:52 pm, 07/24/2010

Would you be so kind as to explain these new "rights" that have been bestowed upon us?

achs2009

Posted 4:15 pm, 07/24/2010

When you finally understand the ETJ you will see that the town actually gave you rights instead of taking them away

onlyinashe

Posted 11:18 am, 07/24/2010

BP: I did not say that folks were do nothing, I said that social media would only reach 6 or 8 folks who care. STOPNC and the ETJ opposition are more than 6 or 8 folks and they communicate on a regular basis and appear to be planning to actively oppose the ETJ in a variety of ways. My comment was directed at the futility of using social media for this particular WJ ETJ issue. In the world of folks participating in social media there are just not that many folks who care.

BPgusher

Posted 1:53 am, 07/24/2010

No onlyinashe, people who care to go against what is being done, and people who PARTICIPATE. Sorry that we can not accept your sit on your a@@ and do nothing routine.

Let me share this quote from Plato �One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics, is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.�

West Jefferson is governed by their inferiors.

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