EDITION: Ashe County
FAQs PLACE A CLASSIFIED AD ADVERTISE YOUR BUSINESS
55 °
Partly Cloudy
Registered Users, Log In Here
Whats up with all the words that dont post?

Brownfrown

Posted 4:45 am, 01/03/2019

Literally the first thing that pops up is...an Arab, slang,offensive, ethnic slur. So your obvious lack of reading comprehension illustrates why your sites are allowed to be run as poorly as they are. You obviously don't have friends that practice Islam as you say, or you don't know them nearly as well as you think you do. Your neighborhood analogy is a poor one as well, as this place is more of a pre-planned gated community that one solitary person profits from despite his obvious lack of interest or oversight. Why would anyone point out anything to you when no action has been taken to correct anything when previously reported, and then they are dismissed as whiners looking to be unhappy when problems are brought up. At the end of the day, you allow blatant racism in multiple threads on a site that you make money off of, and then try to absolve yourself of any responsibility by insisting that it's the fault of lack of community policing on the forum. I find your complete and total lack of accountability for your own actions and responsibilities much more indicative of overall issues with our society today than my willingness to be offended.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 11:18 pm, 01/02/2019

Yeah, I would say Brownie is the typical example of the whiny minority.

GoAshe

Posted 11:11 pm, 01/02/2019

Sorry, but this feels like bending to a small whiny minority. Like so much of our society today is always willing to do.

Well, like I said before, I did see a statistical improvement in the number of people that post after I began filtering words and phrases that are common attacks. No one even seemed to notice until this thread was created, and no one has noticed on GoWilkes, so it's a minor inconvenience for a few that may have a significant impact on others.

And if not, then I can simply remove the filter.

But of course it may not last... people often look for a reason to be unhappy, like "brownfrown" complaining about the allowed usage of "camel jockey" 2 months ago. If someone is looking for a reason to not post then I'm sure they'll find one. But still, it's a test run, and if I don't see a long lasting improvement then it will be interesting to see what the next big complaint is.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 11:01 pm, 01/02/2019

“It's actually quite telling... 4 or 5 people are seemingly the only ones that the lurkers remember, and are the ones keeping all of those people from posting”

Sorry, but this feels like bending to a small whiny minority. Like so much of our society today is always willing to do.

“Besides, my mind database is too full with remembering lyrics of 90's rock songs to remember anything else”

I pulled up today to on a project site to check on progress and when I cut off the truck, without even opening my door, I could hear Just like every night has its dawn Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song Every rose has its thorn blaring on a job site radio. LOL

GoAshe

Posted 11:01 pm, 01/02/2019

Google camel jockey.


I did before I replied. The definition is "one who races camels".


Also, I don't make money off of this site. You do. If you think I bear responsibility for its content, you're either being disingenuous or obtuse.

Imagine that you're driving through a neighborhood and see a crime happen. Would you shake your head and complain that the police didn't do anything, or would you call 911 with a description of the criminal?

It's the same thing. You expect me to be everywhere and see everything, without taking any personal responsibility for it. If you see something bad happen and don't report it, then you're just as guilty as the person that did it.

If you want the site to be better, then when you see a problem just take 2 seconds and click the "Report" button. If you don't, then you really have no right to complain.

Brownfrown

Posted 10:49 pm, 01/02/2019

Google camel jockey. Also, I don't make money off of this site. You do. If you think I bear responsibility for its content, you're either being disingenuous or obtuse.

GoAshe

Posted 10:46 pm, 01/02/2019

I’m not complaining against that. We’ve had that conversation before and it’s your house. However, I with the new system, it automatically changes posts. And because you can’t build an automated system that can comprehend every scenario, it can make mistakes and end up changing the intent of the message.


I actually had the filter applied to Umpire for roughly 4 years, and just recently applied it to everyone. So it was somewhat tested ahead of time, and I'll tweak it over time.

But for now, any post that's modified in this way is emailed to me so that I can review it and make sure that it makes sense, and so that I can tweak the filter over time.

For the most part it's only applied to 4 or 5 people, anyway, and my hope is that they will catch on and stop with the attacks. It's actually quite telling... 4 or 5 people are seemingly the only ones that the lurkers remember, and are the ones keeping all of those people from posting.


Personally, I’d rather it be flagged and not go through.

Sadly, there's just not enough time in the day for me to keep up with them. What tends to happen is that I go through the flagged posts at the end of the day, and by then the discussion is often over or turned in to something else.


At this time, no I can’t, because I don’t hold on to stuff. And to be honest, I think you’ve deleted most of them, which surprises me of your not remembering more.

Pfft... I'm getting old, and I have 50 things going on at once. If it didn't happen in the last 4 or 5 hours then it I might have vague recollections of it, but that's not guaranteed.

Besides, my mind database is too full with remembering lyrics of 90's rock songs to remember anything else

----

However if you think that these statements are a one time occurrence, than you do an extremely poor job of moderating your site

I would refer you to the FAQs:



Also, if you don't think that camel jockey is a racial pejorative, than you're not a very astute person.

I truly can't imagine how it would be. I have a few Muslim friends and they've never been offended by something like that. Maybe you can explain how it's derogatory?


And you have to be aware of the fact that these too consistently talk about bedding 16 year olds.

I don't recall anything being reported, and don't recall any such comment. Link?


If you don't want to take responsibility for a site that you own and profit from, than shut it down. But don't feed anyone this sob story of the fact that you're only human. We all are, and yet we still must face the repressions for our actions, or lack thereof, regardless of whether we experienced the trauma of a pet death or not.

I am sorry that I have disappointed you. But I don't see where you've reported anything, so I would argue that the fault lies with you. When you signed on you agreed to report posts that you think are inappropriate, and I truly don't see how you feel like you have the right to blame others that you failed to comply with that agreement.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 10:33 pm, 01/02/2019

In NC 16 is legal age of consent.

brownfrown

Posted 10:22 pm, 01/02/2019

That sucks about your pet. However if you think that these statements are a one time occurrence, than you do an extremely poor job of moderating your site, which is, at the end of the day, entirely your responsibility. Also, if you don't think that camel jockey is a racial pejorative, than you're not a very astute person. And you have to be aware of the fact that these too consistently talk about bedding 16 year olds. If you don't want to take responsibility for a site that you own and profit from, than shut it down. But don't feed anyone this sob story of the fact that you're only human. We all are, and yet we still must face the repressions for our actions, or lack thereof, regardless of whether we experienced the trauma of a pet death or not.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 10:22 pm, 01/02/2019

“Interesting note, when you first started posting you reminded me of "Satan" on GoWilkes. He's a very good example of someone that changed over time. When he first showed up to GoWilkes he was attacking people and was almost suspended, but after a short talk he stopped attacking and just became funny. Now, he's probably one of the crowd favorites.

Ironically, I had to block both "God" and "Jesus" “

Satan was a light weight

“1. On average, across all of the sites we have an average of 1 post about every 7 seconds, 24 hours a day. This means that I rarely read things unless they're reported, so I don't always know the entire backstory.

What I see is you referring to someone as "Timmy" or whatever, and it looks like you're trying to call out their identity. And this is how it looks to lurkers, too, which makes them hesitant to get involved for fear of you doing the same to them”

I understand the volume. And that’s part of why my comments aren’t complaints about anything. Just stating my side and observations. In the case of Timmy though, I also used Gifs and spelled it out like the character to make the reference. .
.

“I don't know all of the proper terms, but she was clearly bipolar, which is a mental disorder and patients do qualify for disability. So I would consider it a handicap.”

We all qualify for the ADA in some way. But with this being a forum with anonymity, how is one supposed to know the medical history of each screen name? So when someone flips out, we have no way of knowing if there is a medical reason. I have told you before that there is another poster who I’ve made a point to leave alone because there is a very obvious mental issue there.

“This is a good example, though, since we're talking about it. She attacked people and was unnecessarily rude, sure. But a few of you thought that gave you the right to convince someone that, as you said, was unstable that her husband was having an affair, going so far as to creating a username of "Denise" so you could antagonize her and act like you were the mistress?”

Again, I had no way of knowing any level of her possible issues. She was posting people’s information and had them freaked out. I forgot about creating the username. Im not going to comment any furthering it.

“I've never denied that it's censorship, so I don't understand your point. This site has always been censored. We created the rules based on user demand on GoWilkes sometime around 2006.”

I’m not complaining against that. We’ve had that conversation before and it’s your house. However, I with the new system, it automatically changes posts. And because you can’t build an automated system that can comprehend every scenario, it can make mistakes and end up changing the intent of the message. Personally, I’d rather it be flagged and not go through.

“You're right, I'm not paying attention unless someone has reported something. Can you link a few threads for examples?”

At this time, no I can’t, because I don’t hold on to stuff. And to be honest, I think you’ve deleted most of them, which surprises me of your not remembering more.

GoAshe

Posted 10:14 pm, 01/02/2019

Meh. I reported the term "camel jockey" as well as the rest of the spiel on Islam as racist. You turned it into a new thread.


You're referring to this thread:


And you're right, I felt like it could stem to an interesting discussion on race and xenophobia.

Is "camel jockey" a racial slur? If so, I can't say that I understand it... people in the Middle East often ride camels, so it's not saying any derogatory. I'll grant you that it's a generalization, but if it's not derogatory then it's not racist.

In my opinion, it would be like calling me a "potato eater" because I'm of Irish descent (along with 8 or 9 others). Well, I do like potatoes, so...


You let the obvious racism of eat bananas on the happy kwanza thread fly as well.

I have no idea what thread you're talking about with this one...


You're sadder than these other two, because you let this hate speech and racism continue to fly on a site that bears your name, Jason.

Meh. There's a fine line between trying to make sure no one's feelings are hurt and over-moderating. It's always been my belief that the only way to counter racism is by discussing it openly, so as long as a discussion is civil then I believe it has great merit.

But I'm also human, things happen, and sometimes I change my mind. The "Islam" thread just happened to be right at a time where I had to put my 16 year old pet to sleep, so keeping up with it and protecting your feelings wasn't super high on my list of priorities.

And I had to put a second beloved pet to sleep on Friday, Dec 28 (the first pet's twin brother), which was much harder because he was alert and curious, and I had to hold him down so the vet could give him the shot. So I spent a few days in mourning instead of trying to read every post. You'll just have to forgive me for that.

The decision to try to enforce a little bit of civility has only been within the last few weeks (sometime around mid-December). So unless you're trying to say that a precedent of, in your opinion, not moderating enough somehow commits me to not moderating more int he future, then I don't understand the complaint.

Here's the toughest part to explain: I'm human, and just do the best that I can. Sometimes I react to what's going on at the moment, sometimes I try to act proactively and prevent future problems, and sometimes I just screw up royally and don't know what to do.

brownfrown

Posted 10:13 pm, 01/02/2019

*off of a site

Brownfrown

Posted 10:13 pm, 01/02/2019

Cool. So nothing on the racism and ethnic slurs? Because owning and profiting a site that allows this sort of prejudice is the same thing as condoning it.

GoAshe

Posted 9:54 pm, 01/02/2019

Generic? We’ve had our disagreements, but I’ve never been so insulted as to be called generic. There was never anything generic with anything I have done.


Haha

Interesting note, when you first started posting you reminded me of "Satan" on GoWilkes. He's a very good example of someone that changed over time. When he first showed up to GoWilkes he was attacking people and was almost suspended, but after a short talk he stopped attacking and just became funny. Now, he's probably one of the crowd favorites.

Ironically, I had to block both "God" and "Jesus"


I forgot about Silver Bush... So no, my opinion of the Kenny Rogers wanna be is not hypocritical.

There are a few things that you're forgetting:

1. On average, across all of the sites we have an average of 1 post about every 7 seconds, 24 hours a day. This means that I rarely read things unless they're reported, so I don't always know the entire backstory.

What I see is you referring to someone as "Timmy" or whatever, and it looks like you're trying to call out their identity. And this is how it looks to lurkers, too, which makes them hesitant to get involved for fear of you doing the same to them.

2. Regardless of how rude someone is to you, you have no intrinsic right to try to find their identity or run them off of the site. Once I'm aware of the problem I'll likely apply filters to them, have a conversation with them to solve the problem, or just suspend them outright, depending on the situation. But when you stoop to the same level then you end up with those same filters.


As for the Denise incident, that person regularly flipped out on people and started the attacks. She may have been unstable, but let’s be careful with the mentally handicapped label. She was able to drive because she once freaked a poster out by showing up at the posters home with a bottle of liquor, after she had regularly attacked the poster publicly.

I don't know all of the proper terms, but she was clearly bipolar, which is a mental disorder and patients do qualify for disability. So I would consider it a handicap.

This is a good example, though, since we're talking about it. She attacked people and was unnecessarily rude, sure. But a few of you thought that gave you the right to convince someone that, as you said, was unstable that her husband was having an affair, going so far as to creating a username of "Denise" so you could antagonize her and act like you were the mistress?

This is what I would consider to be grossly inappropriate behavior. You decide that you don't like someone online, so you're trying to hurt them in real life... trying to get them to fight with their husband, possibly even divorce? Or in the case of the recent guy on GoWilkes, trying to get them fired from their job?

Why would anyone want to post on an anonymous site if those are the possible consequences?


As for the “general filters” as you called them, well, first this really is censorship because it’s blocking generic words that are used in common conversation.

I've never denied that it's censorship, so I don't understand your point. This site has always been censored. We created the rules based on user demand on GoWilkes sometime around 2006.


And second, the filter isn’t general, because I found at least one example of someone else using the word I tried to use previously in this thread.

This is incorrect. The filter is applied to words and phrases, and I've tried to determine context as programmatically as possible. The only way you could accurately say that is if the person you mentioned made the exact same post as you, in a thread with the exact same subject.


And as for the thread you linked, my count was the biggest complaint was the political posts. But whatever.

Two things about that:

1. I can't do anything about that. It's not really possible to completely segregate politics because it's incorporated in to our lives (eg, a thread on gas prices could quickly turn in to a discussion about the stock market and the President's impact on it). And as I said before, I regret segregating Sports, Tech, etc, and plan to merge them back in the near future.

2. You are counting the complaints from everyone, but I was asking for opinions from lurkers so I didn't consider replies from regular posters. Being totally honest, their biggest complaint was political posts from people that they disagree with, anyway, so what they really want is a way to ignore users that they don't like. I also had several people to email or PM me, so I considered their comments, as well.

I do plan to set up an "Ignore" feature if I ever get the new site done, so that's already on the list. And I would be a fool if I asked lurkers why they don't post and then ignored what they said.

If you don’t remember how many times though people have tried to post my identity, then I kind of have to think you aren’t pay attention. I think the regulars will confirm it happens fairly regularly.

You're right, I'm not paying attention unless someone has reported something. Can you link a few threads for examples?

jack rip her

Posted 9:16 pm, 01/02/2019

You will lose the war.

what the ???

Posted 9:13 pm, 01/02/2019

So Aficianados you and Jack continue to show how despicable you can be.

brownfrown

Posted 9:06 pm, 01/02/2019

Meh. I reported the term "camel jockey" as well as the rest of the spiel on Islam as racist. You turned it into a new thread. You let the obvious racism of eat bananas on the happy kwanza thread fly as well. Don't pretend like you care now. You're sadder than these other two, because you let this hate speech and racism continue to fly on a site that bears your name, Jason.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 9:03 pm, 01/02/2019

Generic? We’ve had our disagreements, but I’ve never been so insulted as to be called generic. There was never anything generic with anything I have done. Your lapdog Umpire is generic.

I forgot about Silver Bush. That was a good one. But she wasn’t a commissioner. As for Clod, he posted his own info. And I was not calling him by name. I called him Timmy. As in Timmy from South Park. Proud Native was working her *** off trying to find my real identity. I was accused by her of being an idividual that was arrested for child p**n.

As for the Denise incident, that person regularly flipped out on people and started the attacks. She may have been unstable, but let’s be careful with the mentally handicapped label. She was able to drive because she once freaked a poster out by showing up at the posters home with a bottle of liquor, after she had regularly attacked the poster publicly.

So no, my opinion of the Kenny Rogers wanna be is not hypocritical.

As for the “general filters” as you called them, well, first this really is censorship because it’s blocking generic words that are used in common conversation. And second, the filter isn’t general, because I found at least one example of someone else using the word I tried to use previously in this thread.

And as for the thread you linked, my count was the biggest complaint was the political posts. But whatever.

If you don’t remember how many times though people have tried to post my identity, then I kind of have to think you aren’t pay attention. I think the regulars will confirm it happens fairly regularly.

Joseph T.

Posted 8:42 pm, 01/02/2019

I didn't see anything vulgar in that post either Jason I will assume it was just another butt hurt snowflake.

jack rip her

Posted 8:42 pm, 01/02/2019

And you know full well nothing was vulgar about the part of the post you removed. I made sure to make it G rated. If anything I did it to piss him off more and moan to you more goashe.

Its laughable that the post about the concubine got turned in as vulgar. I guess someone was snowed in and bored.

KFC/Taco Bell
Now hiring all locations
Feeling lucky? Enter to win an Ireland Vacation
Are you dreaming of the Emerald Isle? Enter for a chance to win a 5-day Ireland vacation with CIE Tours, and let us help you get a taste of Ireland’s stunning beauty!
Joines & James, Attorneys at Law
Need help with Disability? Joines & James, Attorneys at Law PLLC. 336 838-2701