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I think our fire marshall bill is lacking. He should be an instructor. Does he do investigations or is the sheriffs department still trying to do them?

To obtain certified training credits, a class has to be run under the community college. None of the fire marshals we've ever had here in ashe were instructors. I don't think the live fire trainings are part of that job... Most of the buildings are privately owned and it's up to the homeowner to get the aesbestos study- they run about $1,500 which is why barns and sheds are preferred.

Fire p when you say expensive what is the cost? And why is the fire marshall bill not obtaining all of this and helping with and teaching some of the training as this is his job?

Volunteer departments are exempt from OSHA regulations and I've never heard otherwise from the fire marshal or the emergency management person, both of whom work well with the departments. We can burn buildings if we submit the correct paperwork. Barns are pretty simple and only require a training burn permit from DENR. A house requires an asbestos study be submitted and any asbestos removed prior to the burn in addition to the training burn permit. The difficulty lies in the fact that asbestos studies are expensive.

http://www.ncdoi.com/OSFM/F...ion_Course

I found you a little something to carry to the boys at the fire club. Send it to fire marshall bill and ask him when he is going to start doing his job. Now what is that again about burning a house for training?

No Captain flash has likely had smoke blown up his butt by some fellow hose jockeys and its just not his fault they have fed him the same line of BS they have fed the county.

Pointy, i will have to go with you on this one...

crestonflash (view profile)

Posted 12:48 pm, 12/17/2015

underdog2 Posted 12:27 pm, 12/17/2015 No you are not going to get in a pissing contest with us because you are wrong. And Pointman said there were no osha regulations about burning a house for training but you put a spin on it which does not pertain to burning a house. Maybe not directly to the burning of a house, but the clothing, breathing apparatus, equipment used. DENR regulates the air quality. The burning of an abandoned structure is just about impossible due to regulations.

DENR does not regulate air quality. It is now known as Department of Environmental Quality. Flash just ain't having a good day......

I do believe, class is dismissed

29 CFR 1910 OSHA General Industry Regulations refers to employers and employees. As a VFD, neither is applicable.

In past years, the county emergency management official (now long gone thank God) was duped into thinking that the training specified in the above cited regulation was pertinent to VFDs. Not so. While other agencies may, and do, provide regulations for VFDs, OSHA is not one of them.

However; if the fire department enjoys an employer/employee relationship, then all of the above cited OSHA regulations apply.

Lesson to be learned here......when I speak, I know what I'm talking about. Read and learn.

No one has truly outlined the drawbacks of traveling out of the county. Essentially all we have heard that it is all about the money. There are benefits to the training being elsewhere.

underdog2	Posted 12:27 pm, 12/17/2015
No you are not going to get in a pissing contest with us because you are wrong. And Pointman said there were no osha regulations about burning a house for training but you put a spin on it which does not pertain to burning a house.

Maybe not directly to the burning of a house, but the clothing, breathing apparatus, equipment used. DENR regulates the air quality. The burning of an abandoned structure is just about impossible due to regulations.

No you are not going to get in a pissing contest with us because you are wrong. And Pointman said there were no osha regulations about burning a house for training but you put a spin on it which does not pertain to burning a house.

pointman	Posted 11:58 am, 12/17/2015
OSHA does not have any regulations pertaining to volunteer fire departments burning a building.

OK, splain to me why the SCBA's cost almost 5 times what they did a few years ago. Firemen are treated the same as workers in industry. Why did OHSA fine Charleston SC a few years ago for the deaths of firefighters?

The small minded thing is to automatically roll over and try to give the frat houses whatever they want just because they are hose jockeys. The intelligent thing to do is look at all factors and figure out the best way to spend public money

Flash I have spent many a post explaining my position and why I take that position with hose jockeys, the hose jockey officers, and the board of directors. I really dont want to get into it again but let me just say each and every one of them has earned what I say about them and thats just a fact.

Flash its just simply not so that fire departments cant burn a house down for training. Yes there are some tasks that have to be performed but you have to put forth a little effort. Not much mind you but just a little. And this is where the county fire marshall bill should be doing his job. Just where is he?

OSHA does not have any regulations pertaining to volunteer fire departments burning a building.

First off I have never trashed anyone in the fire departments. Second, I don't know the regulations because I am not a fireman. However, it should be the job of any taxpayer to question where the money is going and if there is a better way. So far we are hearing this is the only option, and I don't believe that is the case. The problem is, you take it as an insult, when we are making suggestions or alternatives to the single solution that has been presented. I really think the people of Ashe need to get out of Ashe and find out how the real world works.

Heels09 (view profile)	Posted 9:47 am, 12/17/2015
You would think this would be an option. Then you would not have the land cost. http://www.firefacilities.c...rainee.php

Apparently you did not read or comprehend your linked article. The new training standards require a simulated basement, ground floor, and attic. That trailer you posted does not meet the new standards, which by the way, are not only NC but for the US. OHSA and other regulatory agencies have made it almost impossible to burn an abandoned structure.

You would think this would be an option. Then you would not have the land cost.
http://www.firefacilities.c...rainee.php