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Fleetwood fire club costing over 3 million.

underdog2

Posted 8:30 pm, 03/30/2020

Hillbilly you will just have to prove your statement. Fins and I can prove ours and we can tell you where the rest of the money came from to pay for the club house. You are taking in the grading bill also are you not?

Hillcountry

Posted 7:12 pm, 03/30/2020

A correction again. The Fleetwood Fire Department did not cost three million dollars. I have no idea where you got that information. The closest department was constructed in Watauga county seven years for Meat Camp. That department cost an estimated 1.8 to 2 million in 2013. Fleetwood was just completed recently and cost several hundred thousand to one million less than the Meat Camp Department.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 7:11 pm, 03/30/2020

Flash, I wasn't criticizing the hose jockey fraternity for going to court. I was only stating facts as to what happened. Hillbilly tried to imply that a judge had nothing to do with the sales price that the fire department got for the old property.

underdog2

Posted 5:19 pm, 03/30/2020

btw flash you dont go to court because the dot's first offer is low you negotiate with their representative until the dot sees you are dead locked and only then do they take the property.

underdog2

Posted 5:16 pm, 03/30/2020

There are comps of commercial buildings all over the county flash. A fire club is just like a heated garage that work on cars.

You are correct that the fire club couldn't move more then 1/2 mile or the district lines would have to be redrawn by the commissioners. I remember they were running around like chickens with their heads cut off when the dot took the joint.

Crestonflash

Posted 4:44 pm, 03/30/2020

aFicIoNadoS (view profile)

Posted 1:44 pm, 03/30/2020

1. The fire department refused to settle with the DOT and went to court to sue for a settlement. A perfectly fair option within all property owners rights when dealing with eminent domain. And a judge ruled on that settlement and issued a price to be paid by the state. So yeah, a judge awarded them money.

Having dealt with DOTs appraisers several times in the past, I doubt that their offer was anywhere near reasonable. With that said, what would you use for comps when coming up with a value. It is a business with no appreciable "sales".

Also the fire station would have needed to be very close to where is now due to fire insurance district boundaries. Need to give as many parcels fire service as possible. They are the ones that pay the bills.

underdog2

Posted 4:16 pm, 03/30/2020

And I know also where the rest of the money came from to pay for that 3 million dollar club house with 3 80 inch tv's. And it didn't come from tax payers or the county.

You are correct in the first offer the dot gave the fire club, but given the shape of the building and its use also so little land it was a might good offer. The lawyer that represented the club didnt do it for free but the club came out like bandits with well over a million bucks for the old club house.

Hey can I carry a concubine in the new club house one night and christen the joint?

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 1:44 pm, 03/30/2020

1. The fire department refused to settle with the DOT and went to court to sue for a settlement. A perfectly fair option within all property owners rights when dealing with eminent domain. And a judge ruled on that settlement and issued a price to be paid by the state. So yeah, a judge awarded them money.

2. The new department is built on property that used to have a school on it. This property belonged to the school board. Based on the records of the meetings, the school board gave that property to the fire department. If this is not correct, please tell us how much the fire department paid for the property.

3. Dog never said county tax money paid for the building. The fire department did not have a building fund established in advance, planning for this event. They held a fundraiser to raise money that was hosted at Old West Town. That event did not raise enough to paint the stripes on the parking lot. But I do know where the rest of the money came from.

Hillcountry

Posted 12:57 pm, 03/30/2020

Underdog, your information is not based on facts so when one does not have the facts and publish the rumors that only leave BS or out and out lies. The Fleetwood Fire Department has been planning for the expense of replacing the old building when/if highway 221 was upgraded, The county had nothing to do with the funding of the new department and the county nor the school board gave any funds or property to the Fleetwood Fire Department. Your belief that the new building costs three million dollars is simply untrue and a rumor, untrue and a lie. There was no judge who was gracious to grant funds to the department. The leaders of the Fire Department hired a capable attorney who was able to represent the department and get fair market value from the property as the DOT first offer was about 25% of the true value. Underdog sorry but your post is not based on facts, but that is how it is.

underdog2

Posted 7:24 am, 03/30/2020

Poboy the facts dont lie. The fire club drug its feet for years until the state had to take the land and building because the club did not come to terms the state. The judge was very gracious with the amount he awarded the fire club. The club had no idea where they were going to move the club to until they finally made a deal with the state and county on the old school property. And we do have our facts right about the cost of the building.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 10:22 pm, 03/29/2020

Having to hold a fund raiser event before they started building doesn't sound to me like they were planning their budget very long.

ashehikingmom

Posted 9:47 pm, 03/29/2020

Tell me why they need like 3 80" TVs?

poboy

Posted 9:33 pm, 03/29/2020

I just saw this post and I'm a resident in the Fleetwood community and you lip flappers need to get your facts correct before you run your mouth. I know several of the leaders of the fire department and you have it all wrong. This department has always had great leadership as they have planned on the new highway project for years and have planned their budget around this new station for many years and the cost of the new great facility is much less than other new stations in surrounding counties. I think they have done great and planned their new facility out extremely well to serve the community well for many years to come. I know the community is very proud of it and the members of the fire department for planning a facility that will serve us well into the future. They care for the citizens in their community and are always willing to help anyone at any time. They take pride in their services and are seriously devoted to protecting and caring for all their citizens.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 4:22 pm, 03/15/2020

Now you know that not all research is done on paper

jack rip her

Posted 4:19 pm, 03/15/2020

Lets wait for a fire club member to come forward and confirm the numbers. They should be proud of that price tag.

Fairplay

Posted 3:45 pm, 03/15/2020

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 9:18 pm, 03/14/2020

The numbers are accurate. I've done the research.

Publish your research, if it exists.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 12:06 pm, 03/15/2020

VFD's are not government agencies. I believe the way they work they are private nonprofit incorporations. So their required disclosures aren't the same as municipal departments. They are supposed to make their records available at request of the commissioners, but the problem is it's not a regular required report. The residents of their districts are supposed to be able to request a financial report, but ive never looked into what the process is. I doubt there is any formal procedure set up. They probably have to attend a board meeting and ask for it. However, it seems that this building was built through donations, so I don't know if it has to be reported the same as money that comes from taxes.


As for cost, state and federal regulations are what have driven the expense so high. On top of being required to have a monitored sprinkler system, they also have to have a ventilation system that vents all truck exhausts to the outside. But it also has to scrub the air it releases so to not pump toxins into the air. Indoor gun ranges have to have similar systems so to filter lead out of their air.

justanfyi

Posted 11:35 am, 03/15/2020

Are they not obligated to give an itemized break down of the expenses? Would that not be public record too? Where are you guys finding this info out? I'd like to see.

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 12:05 am, 03/15/2020

Lots of expensive things required by the state for fire departments

ashehomegrrl

Posted 9:36 pm, 03/14/2020

Conceding that the numbers are accurate - why so much?

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