Is Donald a legitimate President?
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jrscott295
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Posted 2:56 am, 07/18/2018
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I'm not confused, and yes the CIA has been manipulating the US Media since before the Bay of Pigs. Yes they used to pay for the media cooperating. Yes Director George H. W. Bush ended the payments, but they still use threats of FAA fines etc to keep the media in line. Haven't you ever wondered why they all have their ex CIA operatives to trot out? Want to buy out another media company better be towing the line or it won't be approved, etc. (Same stuff the Federal government used to threaten banks to give loans to people that couldn't afford them creating the collapse of 2008).
You see it would be to obvious to have all the media talking the same point of view.
So during Obama you had almost all of them being quiet, he was their puppet, doing what they wanted. They allowed FOX news to be the voice of dissent, in fact by design FOX is the voice of dissent from the other media.
Trump wins and now the media who called Obama out on nothing now suddenly is running 80-90% negative stories on Trump day in and day out. FOX is still the voice of dissent, this time supporting the President largely rather than attacking him daily.
90% of the media you consume is owned by 6 companies.
I actually don't read or listen to Alex Jones.
Keep in mind these same shills railed against Carter and Reagan too. Go back and try to find footage and articles from the time of their Presidencies, the media was not kind to them. Though many today hold Reagan as some sort of example of what to be as a President, they also gravely misrepresent what Reagan actually was. Reagan by today's standards would have been a moderate not a conservative. Carter and Reagan like Trump were largely outsiders who had no strong ties to the political elite of DC, and they don't like that. That's why Ted torpedoed Carter in the 1980 Democrat Primaries, he thought he'd win the primary, and then win the Presidency. The people had enough though and still nominated Carter (and Reagan) both outsiders and well the rest was history.
The current media doesn't realize how much they are pushing people towards Trump, the average American is not on the far left and far right, they are much more concerned with feeding, clothing, sheltering and transporting themselves with the hopes of putting away enough for the future. So long as the economy is doing well, they'll keep supporting Trump, just like they did Reagan.
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The Mole
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Posted 8:48 pm, 07/17/2018
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Making America great again, one day at a time.
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Pappyspal
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Posted 7:11 pm, 07/16/2018
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JR... dude, you are seriously confused. Perhaps if you cite your sources some of us can clear a few things up for you.
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aFicIoNadoS
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Posted 3:34 pm, 07/16/2018
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Alex Jones, I was with you till the CIA running the media. Got to tap out on that one.
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jrscott295
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Posted 3:16 pm, 07/16/2018
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Trump didn't take a 150 million bribe from Russia, Hillary and Bill did Trump didn't sell 20% stake in US Uranium to Russia, Hillary and Obama did Trump didn't collude with Russia, Hillary and Obama did Susan Rice gave a stand down order to the counter cyber terrorism during the election You see you've been fed a lie, it was Hillary that was colluding with Russia, not Trump. All evidence points to that. Everyone indicted so far that worked for Trump's campaign were indicted for things they did years and sometimes decades before the campaign. Hillary rigged the DNC primaries and she tried to rig the general election....but the media which is largely controlled by the CIA, which is largely headed by officials that were appointed by or close to the Clintons, is deceiving you. (The US media has been largely propagandists since the 60s going back to Project Mockingbird, the CIA stopped paying for the cooperation when George H. W. Bush was head of the CIA but they never ended the subversion).
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Hop Sing
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Posted 1:26 pm, 07/16/2018
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Germany won't have to bow, Trump already has!
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jrscott295
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Posted 11:40 pm, 07/15/2018
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Do you really think Germany will bow to Russia, it's getting almost a third of its energy from Russia, Trump was right to point that out. After all we have 50,000 Troops in Germany supposedly to protect it from Russia......besides as intelligence officers do you really think they'd travel under their real identities? It's pointless and meaningless, it's so that they can say oh we did this sure we spent over a million dollars an indictment but hey we did something.....
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aFicIoNadoS
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Posted 6:02 pm, 07/15/2018
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That Italy deal was a complete cluster **** on our part.
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Fairplay
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Posted 5:18 pm, 07/15/2018
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As someone asked me via PM, yes, Russia is a member state. They will not however honor an Interpol Red Notice on employees of their own government. The U S did the same thing when Italy wanted to extradite several American CIA employees.
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Fairplay
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Posted 5:11 pm, 07/15/2018
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The indictments pretty much limit those indicted to travel in Russia and a few of their allies. They can not travel to any country that is a signatory to Interpol. Also, their bank accounts in any of the signatory countries can be frozen.
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jrscott295
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Posted 5:01 pm, 07/15/2018
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I agree Olejoe, we meddle, if we do not wish others to meddle in our affairs then we should stop meddling in theirs.
At the same time FINS is correct, the Russian meddling had no real impact. Indicting 12 Russian Agents who in all probability will never set foot in the USA is meaningless, it's not like Putin is going to extradite them (we don't have a treaty of extradition with Russia, that's why Snowden stayed there). Basically Mueller and the overturn Trump election gang that seems to be pervasive in our intelligence community have come up with nothing. They've wasted the taxpayers money, they have no credibility. The same people despite overwhelming evidence that refused to prosecute Hillary, claim that Trump should be prosecuted with no evidence. Just as Clinton used her time to destroy evidence (which is a crime in and of itself) I wouldn't doubt there are agents attempting to manufacture evidence, it's just they've not found anything credible they can do and nothing they've tried works, that's how out of touch they are with average fly over country people.
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aFicIoNadoS
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Posted 1:46 pm, 07/15/2018
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All of the experts I have read say they can’t find any evidence that Russian meddling made a difference in the results. The FBI probably played more into the election.
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Olejoe
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Posted 1:43 pm, 07/15/2018
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Other than exposing some of Clinton's dirty little secrets, how did the Russians help Trump in the election? And the US is always meddling in other country's affairs. Just not in the same manner.....that we know of anyway.
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jrscott295
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Posted 4:28 am, 07/15/2018
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I do agree there were probably enough folks that voted for Nader that if they had voted for Gore it would have switched the outcome, same with Jill Stein.
However Hillary isn't innocent in all this, if she hadn't rigged the Democratic primaries in 2016 as she did (or if it had not come out until after the election) she probably would have won. It's exactly how the Ron Paul supporters in 2012 stayed out of it or voted 3rd parties because of how Ron Paul was treated by Mitt Romney and the RNC that caused Romney to lose the 2012 election. Both Clinton and Romney in their arrogance (or their campaign managers arrogance) thought that no matter what the Paul and Sanders people would still vote for their candidates in the end, and while many did just enough did not that both Clinton and Romney lost.
Ted Kennedy is also a major reason why Jimmy Carter lost to Ronald Reagan. Kennedy's attacks on Carter during the 1980 election cycle damaged Carter so badly that he had almost no chance of winning. That damage continued to influence the next election when Reagan destroyed Mondale.
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Lurker2
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Posted 2:58 am, 07/15/2018
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However if I put on my Political Scientist hat for a minute I think I can get the root of the current discord.
In 2000 Al Gore had earned the Bill Clinton 3rd term same as Bush had with Reagan. However the far left abandoned Gore for Ralph Nadar and Gore shied away from Clinton just enough to lose a couple of small southern states that Bubba won. in the hubbub that followed, we got Dick Cheney and 911. I say Dick Cheney because he cast a pall over the little Bush Presidency.
This disrupted the natural order of things. One of the Bushes should have been President but not until 2004. Anyway, when it comes time for Hillary to take the Democratic nomination in 2008, Teddy Kennedy steps in and promotes Obama - a promising but unready junior senator. Not only does he cost Hillary her one term (she would have been one term), he up and dies losing the 60-40 Democratic advantage in the Senate leaving as Obama's only accomplishment the ****dest health care fix ever. Something no one really understood.
By 2016 it's still Clinton's turn, but again the far left turns out against her, and again like 2000 they vote for nut jobs - giving the Presidency to Trump. There were enough Jill Stine votes and left wing stay at homes because Hillary was impure to toss the election to Trump, DESPITE anything done by the Russians.
Not only does the Russian espionage taint Trump's election, the skullduggery of the far left is also mixed in, creating the appearance of a candidate wronged not once like Nixon, but twice.
In 2008 when Kennedy interceded, he stopped the Democratic Party's movement toward the Center and sent them careening to the left and this opened the door for the Tea Party that took the Republican Party further to right. Now we are without a center.
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jrscott295
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Posted 10:46 pm, 07/14/2018
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Also I expect Donald Trump will be reelected in 2020, after all each of the last 3 Presidents were as well, people like continuity, they generally hate change, that's why your Congressman and Senators serve decade after decade once elected. At the same time I also expect during his tenure as President the Congress will flip to the Democrats, after all that also happened under the last 3 Presidents.
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jrscott295
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Posted 10:42 pm, 07/14/2018
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Donald Trump is the legitimate President of the United States. He won the Electoral College. The whole purpose of the Electoral College is to help mitigate the influence of big states on small states. If it weren't for the Electoral College then CA would decide every election, after all Clinton's margin of victory in the popular vote came almost exclusively from CA.
Also some of you are highly incorrect.
Harding won both the popular and electoral college
Coolidge won both the popular and electoral college
Also while W lost the popular vote in 2000, he won it in 2004.
The problem with the Electoral College isn't the Electoral College itself it is the fact that the House of Representatives has kept it's membership at the artificially low 435 for a century. If you had the same level of representation as in 1789, that is 1 Representative per 33,000, then the House should have 9356 members as based on the 2010 census. If you went with the 1913 standard of 1 per 200,000 it would be 1544 members.
Incidentally many years ago I did actually think we should switch to a popular vote and abolish it like some do today, however I was convinced by a conversation with Sen. John Edwards that I was wrong and he pointed out the fallacy of my arguments and convinced me I was in error. Yes we all know his political career ended in disaster due to poor personal choices, but he was not wrong on this issue. Keep in mind I agreed with Sen. Edwards on almost nothing else, politically we are far apart on almost all issues.
Harrison, Buchanan and John Quincy also all only served 1 term, only W was able to win reelection after losing the popular vote in his first election.
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